[08:34] <xttz> When are we going to start focus-grouping again?
[08:34] <xttz> after the holidays?
[14:57] <rocket_x> larrikin is back from holiday today iic
[14:57] <rocket_x> iirc
[15:35] <max_kolonko> He wasnt back at friday?
[16:01] <titus.tallang> i'd really really like to get some actual details on how carriers willw ork
[16:02] <titus.tallang> i mean we have this super rough outline thing that i typed up but without having an idea of how exactly capital fights will look after the changes we can't really balance anything properly
[16:02] <titus.tallang> unless we wanna talk about triage refitting some more?
[16:13] <jezza_mcwaffle> Im alwayd down for talking about refitting :stuck_out_tongue: I dont see why it requires a counterplay given it is itself a counterplay to a badly balanced hostile fleet (no neuts, single damage type etc). The issue I can see from it comes from swapping modules instantly (like refitting for hull tanks & rigs)
[16:17] <jezza_mcwaffle> Maybe looking at having as suggested before module offline timers
[16:30] <titus.tallang> like has been discussed multiple times, i feel detaching refitting speed from pilot clicking speed by having a 5-second "refit timer" during which the modules transition is enough adjustment to triage/siege refits specifically
[16:30] <titus.tallang> for everyone else, sure, prevent it during weapons timer
[16:31] <jezza_mcwaffle> Yep I'll agree on that
[16:38] <titus.tallang> also means refitting doesn't scale with tidi any more
[16:40] <jezza_mcwaffle> If the 5 seconds is in game 5 seconds then surely it does?
[16:41] <titus.tallang> other way
[16:41] <titus.tallang> i mean refitting doesn't get more powerful as tidi increases (assuming node is stable)
[16:41] <titus.tallang> right now you refit 10 times as quickly in 10% tidi
[16:41] <titus.tallang> because refitting is based on player input speed which is real time, e.g. 10 times as fast in simulation time
[16:41] <titus.tallang> while with a 5 second timer every refit takes 5 seconds of simulation time
[16:46] <jezza_mcwaffle> Ahh yeh I got you
[16:46] <jezza_mcwaffle> I dont know much about code but surely you could set it as a 5 second real time like a module cool down
[16:48] <titus.tallang> i think this is a good thing
[16:48] <titus.tallang> we want refitting capability to remain constant with tidi
[16:48] <titus.tallang> in relation to simulation speed
[19:22] <lordsservant> maybe
[19:22] <lordsservant> but we're already limiting refitting as it is outside of tidi discussion
[19:23] <lordsservant> I dont think needlessly complicating it serves any purpose
[19:23] <lordsservant> and with how things get at super shitty tidi, I don't think waiting 5 seconds for a module to work is engaging gameplay if it takes even longer, and that's another timer for the server to keep track of ><
[19:30] <titus.tallang> but then we could, y'know, not change refitting for triage, which is fine?
[19:31] <5pitf1re> in that brawl we had the other day titus.tallang it would have sucked hardcore not to be able to combat refit
[19:31] <titus.tallang> shakes fist
[19:31] <titus.tallang> you blew up my nag
[19:32] <titus.tallang> :smile:
[19:32] <5pitf1re> thanks for that brawl again btw!
[19:32] <titus.tallang> but yes definitely
[19:32] <titus.tallang> yeah our dudes had a blast
[19:32] <5pitf1re> so did ours
[19:32] <titus.tallang> looking forward to a repeat performance
[19:32] <titus.tallang> at some point
[19:32] <5pitf1re> yep
[19:32] <titus.tallang> once we get the isk to replace these things :smile:
[19:34] <lordsservant> wat
[19:34] <lordsservant> you mean you actually wanted those ships?
[19:34] <lordsservant> and they're NOT already replaced?
[19:34] <lordsservant> to reddit!
[19:34] <lordsservant> )))
[19:40] <5pitf1re> EVE Uni bros are gucci
[19:40] <titus.tallang> lordsservant: yes we did
[19:40] <titus.tallang> we are poors
[19:41] <titus.tallang> oh well, lost them in glorious explosions, the newbros loved it, op success
[19:45] <lordsservant> :stuck_out_tongue:
[19:45] <lordsservant> nevar forget these logs come out public
[19:46] <lordsservant> Im gonna have enough of a hit to my reputation as an arrogant asshole with an ego the size of a moon already ><
[19:47] <5pitf1re> the memes must go on
[19:47] <5pitf1re> I can't let my memes be memes m8
[19:52] <titus.tallang> gotta keep 'em in a dank cellar then